Mongol Armor? - History Forum ~ All Empires

Turk nomad, I have a reason to believe I may be Turkic, but I don't know what it would be measured as in a autosomal DNA test.. Would it be Central Asian, or East Asian?

I am Polish, and Ukrainian..

Edited by HistoryGuy - 24-Oct-2006 at 15:57

CÃ¢nd viaÅ£a rÃ£u, unele cresc testicule ÅŸi face cu ea!

Originally posted by ahiska

camokagurth wroye
*and PLEASE dont confuse Tatars with Mongols

... ive seen many mistakes like this in western(actually American

) history books etc. Tatars were turkic while Mongols were mongoloid

Dude Turks are mongoloid(mostly) so are chinese and japanese.
the term monogoloid is used to point out a genetic hmmm.. something that links several races to gether.

It's Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid and few more.

Dude,Turks are Alpino-Turanid,not mongoloid.

There was tatar(xyen bei) tribe since ghengis kill them all,they were tungus-mongoloid.İn 1200s other Tatars(in ghengis's army,tribes invading eurupe and ukraine,tatarstan) are a mix of Kipchak Turks and some other Turkic tribes

Hi!

Where were this photos made?

Thanks:

TSZ

Originally posted by vulkan02

here is some pics I found recently.

camokagurth wroye
*and PLEASE dont confuse Tatars with Mongols

... ive seen many mistakes like this in western(actually American

) history books etc. Tatars were turkic while Mongols were mongoloid

Dude Turks are mongoloid(mostly) so are chinese and japanese.
the term monogoloid is used to point out a genetic hmmm.. something that links several races to gether.

It's Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid and few more.

Edited by ahiska

HEED, O TURK! AS LONG AS THE BLUE SKY DOES NOT CRUMBLE ABOVE, AND THE DARK EARTH DOES NOT YAWN OPEN BELOW, WHO IS THERE TO DISRUPT YOUR HOMELAND AND YOUR WAY...

Originally posted by tadamson

Originally posted by CamokaGurth

This is actually a Tatar warrior's armor, but i think its similar enough because they were in the same horde though different tribe ...

Whare is the image from?
If it's 'Tartar' are we talking 17thC ukraine ?

*Tatar... the turkic peoples who were a part of the Golden Horde invading Eastern Europe (Russia, Ukraine etc.)

and yes they were a part of the Ottoman Empire in the 17th century, live in the areas of Tatarstan and Crimea(southern Ukraine). They were known as the Crimean Khanate after the breaking of the Horde.

(based on my research "Tartar" with the "r" was the work of European change that started from the "Tatary"(just used as the areas Tatars lived at) made related to "Tartarus" from Greek mythology )

*and PLEASE dont confuse Tatars with Mongols ... ive seen many mistakes like this in western(actually American ) history books etc. Tatars were turkic while Mongols were mongoloid

Edited by CamokaGurth

The strength you need is in your noble blood within your veins.
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Originally posted by BigL

troops were punished by death if they didnt have the standard equipment.

What do you mean by standard equipment? Do you mean a person should have the standardized stuff such as a bow, quiver, lasso, horse, saddle, etc or do you mean the equipment had to be the same as all the others in their unit? By 'same' I mean same style of armour, same clothing and so forth.

Yes, you are correct, they were punished if their equipment was not kept in proper order and maintained properly.

Cheers

Chris

Does the mongols have a standardised armor design? From the pictures, I have an impression that each indiv had to fabricate his gear from whatever stuff he can obtain...

This is actually a Tatar warrior's armor, but i think its similar enough because they were in the same horde though different tribe ...

The strength you need is in your noble blood within your veins.
MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATÜRK

Originally posted by poirot

Here are two paintings of Mongol Cavalry:

Mongol Cavalryman

Mongol Cavalry in battle

The picture is a total nonsense. The Monghol warrior is shown carrying a Chinese sword called Liuyedao furnished in a style of the 19-20th century. Anybody interested in ancient Monghol weapons, particularly armour, should get a book by Gorelik " Weapons of the Ancient East" Atlant Publishers, 2004 , Moscow-St. Petersburgh. It is in Russian, though...