Finno-Ugrian impact on Russian ethnos

This mixing could be historically devided for 2 parts:

1. During ancient times - before Mongol invasion. Generally this mixing happened across the water way from "Baltic sea to Greece". The best example was Novgorod city, where ~ 40% of population were finns (chud' - in old russian) at those times.

2. After the Mongol invasion(but the process was started sometime before), when eastern slavs mass migrated from the terrirtoris around Kiev (those days south-eastern Rus'). One part of them migrated to the west another to the north-east. The part of them that migrated to the north-estern direction met there a lot of local finno-ugoric tribes and because of bigger number and culture level (I mean writings, science, christianity,etc.) adopt people from these neighbour tribes (but of course not all of them).  Russians historians and scientists see the proof of it in the linquistics changes(often use of "a" insted of previos "o",etc), phisiological changes (more dark hairs and swarthy skeen,etc.) and of course geographical names (e.g. Moskva: "-va" mean somth. like "water" in old Finnish ).

But no doubts that Finno-Ugoric people made a big influence to the Russians and the same Russians to Finno-Ugoric people.

 

Yes, thank you very much for this beautiful post. However, this seems to be more or less the traditional version of Russian history.

 

I meant, that the "new scholars" like to say that there was not 40% but up to 80% of Finnish blood in the forming Russian nation.

 

Again, it would be interesting to hear from a person of Finnish background whether there are some studies on this in Finno-Ugrian countries (Finland, Hungary, Estonia) and whether the perception of Russia as "the Great Finland" might change somehow popular views of Russia in these countries.

 

I am not a person of Finnish background, unless you count Russians as Finnish by default.

 

Originally posted by Sarmat12 There are some theories which say that Russian nation ethnical composition is 75-80% Finnish.

 

Russians have 15% of the Finnic haplogroup N. Ukranians and Belarusians have 10%.

 

Originally posted by Sarmat12 They say Ancient territory of Russia was mainly inhabited by Finns. Later these Finns just adopted Slavic language but their ethinic composition remained unchanged.

 

The ancient territory of Russia was inhabited by Nordid Indo-Europeans from the South Russian ice refugium. In the early neolithic period Uralics arrived from the East. Then some Indo-Europeans in Russia adopted Finno-Ugrian language but their ethnic composition remained unchanged.

 

Originally posted by Sarmat12 This theory is also very popular among some modern nationalistic Ukranian historians. They say that Moscovia did not have any connection to the Ancient Kiev Rus.

 

Moscow was part of the Russian State already in the 9th century, when Kiev was still ruled by Judeo-Khazars.

 

Originally posted by Sarmat12 According to them, Moscovites just were Finns, with Kievan Slavs rulers who adopted Slavic language, thus modern Russia does not have any claim for the Ancient Rus heritage.

 

Russian State arose in the north around Ladoga and Novgorod. Then it conquered Kiev and Ukraine which had been ruled by Judeo-Khazars.

 

 

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Some of them even call Russia "Great Finland", emphasizing their Ukranian Indo-European ("Aryan") origins compare to the "inferior Finnish Moscovites."

 

Do you call such people Aryan? We call them Turkish...

 

 

There is no suffix -va in Polish, right? In Russian there are lots of words with this suffix like bitva, britva, etc.

 

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Kiev means "of Kii" or "Kii's" in Russian. Kii, Shek and Horiv were legendary founders of Kiev.

 

And why does Horiv have the name of the Near Eastern mountain Horeb?

 

Originally posted by Sarmat12 So, basically, Kiev is smth like the place of Kii.   Kuyaba is just an Arabization of the word Kiev

 

Does he call them Finno-Ugrians?

 

Originally posted by Tar Szerénd In a Göran Burenhult book (The first men or in the Stone-Age World there is a map about the language groups, the finno-ugrians had got almost the whole territ. of todays Russia, north from Middle-Ukraine.

 

The map is wrong.

 

Looks like from this map Dubna was the center of Dyakovo culture as well.  

Personally I think Russians and Polish are Slavs. Theories about Russians being Finns I find as true as polish being Sarmatians.