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omshanti
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Topic: Lost Roman Legion found in ChinaPosted: 06-Mar-2007 at 01:02 |
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Historically the west part of China has been home to and inhabited by numerous Indo-European peoples notably Iranians and Tocharians for millennia.
Geographically China is a huge country which is as big as the whole Europe. It shares its western borders with Central Asian countries, Afghanistan and Pakistan. I knew a Chinese person who had similar mixed caucasoid features as the man in the picture (although much younger), who used to tell me all the time that his ancestors were Persian merchants who came to china in ancient times. For the reasons mentioned above, I do not find it at all surprising to see some Chinese people with some Caucasoid admixture. Edited by omshanti - 06-Mar-2007 at 01:04 |
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Cryptic
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Posted: 05-Mar-2007 at 12:44 |
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Whether it was the Romans or Caucasoid huns, I am very surprised by the degree in which the man in the photo exhibits Caucasoid features usually associated with Europeans. Likewise the Wakhi girl in the other photo is not only caucasoid, but looks celtic. Could her ethnic group be descendants of the people with red hair that have been found in tombs in the Gobi? Are Wakhis Moslems? If so, it does not appear that they have intermarried much with either Turkic Moslems or with Han Chinese Moslems (Hui)
I guess both people demonstrate that people in remote areas can remain genetically isolated for centuries despite large scale migrations. Edited by Cryptic - 05-Mar-2007 at 13:43 |
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Zagros
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Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 13:40 |
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Yea but the Romans also employed Gauls and others in their legions. I think the legion at Amida was predominantly gallic.
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ulrich von hutten
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Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 12:50 |
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last year the explained icelandic reader of a newspaper had to read, that a prof. from the university of ulanbator assured , a dispersed mongolian horsemen squad strayed after the battle of Legnica (April 1241) through north-europe and stranded on iceland at least. Sadly all evidences were melting like butter in the rarely icelandic sun, soon.
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Scorpian
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Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 11:27 |
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agreed
yet another lost roman legion or what
what do you reckon happened to the suppossed lost Roman Ninth Legion (Legio VIIII Hispania). Were they all massacred in Scotland or were they disbanded due to having disgraced themselves with some utter defeat. Based at York they all but disappeared around AD120 and were replaced by Legio VI Victrix.
Anyways given this conversation about lost legions and their suppossed descendants can we presume that all green eyed blonde Scotsmen are themselves descended from the Roman ninth legion lost in antiquity
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Aelfgifu
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Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 09:57 |
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I think we all agree here: there are a hundred possibilities how the people of this village came by their light hair and eyes, but Roman armies are not amongst the more likely ones...
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shinai
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Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 09:26 |
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Evrywhere you can hear about the lost romans legions. in South of Iran in city of Dezful and shushtar you will get surprise of how many people are blond with blue eyes between datk skin locals, they beleive they are decendents of Roman legion captured by Shapur and took to the area to make a big dam.
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Scorpian
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Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 02:59 |
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maybe they are related to the Wusun or some other barbarian tribe that lived northwest of china.
The Wusun were said to be green eyed and red bearded but some of their neighbours had blonde hair so any number of folks could be the perpetrators.
I read some place that Marco Polo came across 10000 Alans in the employ of the Chinese Emperor so they also may be their forefathers.
anyways your guess is as good as mine Edited by Scorpian - 28-Feb-2007 at 04:48 |
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 01:30 |
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![]() A Wakhi girl in China (Wakhis are an Indo-European people who live in China from the ancient times, Wakhi language is in the Iranian group of languages.) |
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Brasidas
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Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 23:39 |
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Wasn't there a group of Celts that lived in Western China? I saw a documentary around 5-8 years ago that discussed mummies found in Western China that all had blonde and red hair and they all wore tartan clothing.
If this is the case wouldn't it make more sense for these people to just have some admixture of those Celts in Western China?
As for the Romans that seems an awefully long way for a group of Roman soldiers to travel in 17 years. How did these men survive against so many hostile and unknown people?
It seems to me that the people of the area are just taking advantage of the "Theory" put forth. Of course I don't blame them one bit. They are a poor people with no other means of improving their status and allowing them to survive. So why not take advantage if Westerners want to flock there as tourist to see the "Lost Roman Legion"!
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Zagros
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Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 18:23 |
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I know a man from Ilam with emerald green eyes, he must be Roman too.! j/k Green eyes are not exclusively European and probably evolved, along with Blue eyes, in Central Asia itself.
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malizai_
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Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 18:09 |
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The greatest occurrence of green eyes i have noted have been amongst the Celts, notably the Irish.
The story or it's arguments are not entirely convincing.
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DayI
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Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 17:11 |
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me too.
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Leonardo
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Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 13:38 |
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Green eyes are the product of moderate or low amounts of melanin. Green eye color has often been attributed to lighter hair colors, such as blond and red. However, green eyes are not uncommon in those with darker hair.
Green eyes are commonly found all over Europe. Mostly found in germanic, celtic peoples and some parts of Asia. ![]() Anyway I don't buy this story
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Aelfgifu
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Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 11:48 |
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Yes, that would be remarkable enough in itself, as Romans in general were not particularly blonde, not particularly blue eyed and not particularly tall.... So how did they pass on characteristics they probably did not have on to their descandants?
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SearchAndDestroy
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Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 11:39 |
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When exactly will we find out about the Genetic tests?
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Zagros
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Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 10:57 |
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lol. Green eyes = proof of Roman passage!
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JuMong
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Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 04:45 |
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Roman descendants found in China?By Richard Spencer in Liqian, north-west China Last Updated: 12:36am GMT 04/02/2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/02/wroman02.xml http://www.china.org.cn/Beijing-Review/Beijing/BeijingReview/98Nov/bjr98-46-13.html http://www.italymag.co.uk/italy_regions/tuscany/2005/general/11/ Edited by JuMong - 26-Feb-2007 at 05:06 |
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